Calling Out JayMan

November 28, 2013

JayMan is an HBd blogger obsessed with IQ, heredity and achievement, and probably Richard Lynn's #1 fan. He claims to be Jamaican, which makes him either the most insanely self-hating black person on earth, or a white Nordicist pretending to be black so he can get away with insulting blacks and everyone else who isn't Northwestern European. Either way, he's an idiot.

Recently he "called me out" on his blog re: my stance on environmental factors in global IQ disparities. I had debated him there about a year and a half ago and easily won, and I guess he's been traumatized by it ever since. He links to that post in his new one, and I wondered why he would want to remind people of his defeat, but when I checked it again I noticed that he'd deleted my final reply to try and make himself look like the winner (you can read the unedited discussion here; the deleted comment is "Mar 27 2012 9:57 AM"). Then when I attempted to reply to his latest "challenge" the other day, he refused to approve that comment too. Just thought you'd want to know what a pathetic, dishonest, chickenshit loser he is...if you couldn't already tell.

Anyway, my response to his nonsense was this study showing that poverty leads to a significant drop in IQ points, and this new one which concludes similarly that the wealth of nations determines "national IQs" (not the other way around).

10 comments

Anonymous said...

Yeah, you demolished him.

What amazes me about lots of these HBD/racialist bloggers is how frightfully little they know about history, philosophy, religion, or any of the other numerous ingredients that shape a culture. They're one-trick ponies, reducing everything to race/IQ. Complexity and nuance are lost on them. They give amateurs a bad name.

Someone once remarked that Marxism was more popular among literary critics and other dilettantes with little grasp of economics than among professional economists because it gave them a relatively simple explanatory tool to unravel an arcane and challenging subject. HBD/IQ seems to serve a similar function.

By the way, it's funny that people cite Richard Lynn as some sort of objective researcher who is only going where the data take him. The man was out and proud as a right-wing ideologue as early as the 1970s:

http://www.ferris.edu/isar/bios/cattell/lynn.htm

"If the evolutionary process is to bring its benefits, it has to be allowed to operate effectively. This means that incompetent societies have to be allowed to go to the wall. This is something we in advanced societies do not at present face up to and the reason for this, according to Cattell, is that we have become too soft-hearted. For instance, the foreign aid which we give to the under-developed world is a mistake, akin to keeping going incompetent species like the dinosaurs which are not fit for the competitive struggle for existence. What is called for here is not genocide, the killing off of the populations of incompetent cultures. But we do need to think realistically in terms of "phasing out" of such peoples. If the world is to evolve more better humans, then obviously someone has to make way for them otherwise we shall all be overcrowded. After all, ninety-eight per cent of the of the species known to zoologists are extinct. Evolutionary progress means the extinction of the less competent. To think otherwise is mere sentimentality."

"As a general rule it would be best for national cultures to keep themselves to themselves and not to admit immigrants. There are several reasons for this. Isolation would give rise to societies with greater diversity and individuality, both culturally and genetically. Indeed, it would be desirable if the human race could evolve several different non-interbreeding species, since this would increase the options for evolution to work on. Another reason for discouraging migration is that migrants are often people of low genetic quality who reduce the efficiency of the population they join."

"People are poor largely because they are incompetent and unintelligent. Such people should not be encouraged to breed. Conversely, we are too harsh to the rich. Progressive taxation, for example, is hard to justify. Why should the rich have to contribute more than anyone else through taxation to the maintenance of state services, since they do not benefit more from them? Morally, this cannot be justified. Eugenically, it is equally undesirable. For the rich are rich, broadly speaking, because they are intelligent and competent and we should encourage them to have more children. Let them keep their money and they may be persuaded to do so. We should allow the effects of competition full reign within societies as well as between societies. For it is through competition that evolutionary progress will take place."

"Over the last forty years Cattell has evidently travelled (sic!) the long road from radical Socialist to high Tory. He is not the first to have done so. Those who share this latter viewpoint will welcome a recruit of such undoubted brilliance as Raymond Cattell."

Crimson Guard said...

Lynn , his research and his doctrine, have been proven erroneous and fraudulent time and time again.

The case against Lynn's doctrine that population IQ determines levels of socio-economic development and public health status

http://www.emeraldinsight.com/journals.htm?articleid=1953863&show=abstract

Unknown said...

It was stated that "Why should the rich have to contribute more than anyone else through taxation to the maintenance of state services, since they do not benefit more from them? Morally, this cannot be justified. Eugenically, it is equally undesirable. For the rich are rich, broadly speaking, because they are intelligent and competent and we should encourage them to have more children. Let them keep their money and they may be persuaded to do so. We should allow the effects of competition full reign within societies as well as between societies. For it is through competition that evolutionary progress will take place." but the opposite. The rich have the ability to harness resources through slavery, bribery, passsge of laws to pay off politicians, etc but this has nothing to do with eugenics. One cannot steal resources, people, destroys their native cultures, etc then next day call them lazy knowning you have stolen and raped their resources, then pretend that never happened. That is the racial reality of repression.

Anonymous said...

JayMan seems not to understand the intricacies, while you seem not to understand parsimony. Both of you are ultimately idiots. You ignored the resistance of IQ in groups, especially such as East Asian and the PISA scores as a reliable approximation of IQ while JayMan totally ignored the flexibility of IQ on caucasoid/hispanic groups.
This clearly needs a better explanation and both your attempts at chicken/egg arguments will never end.
A second problem after reviewing the whole mess was what I will now call the Mongoloid assumption that is obviously derived from outdated Meiners' classification. Looking at the patrilineal line(the migration pattern), we can see the expansion of the east asian "race" does not share the same north-south gradient, west-east gradient of most of Eurasia but a central expansion with assimilation of northern populations and southern populations at the extremes. Failing to even address this even if it may be wrong in non-HBD anthropology astounds me. The classic "pure mongoloid" look may not be east asian at all. The whole "adapted" to the cold basically falls apart.

However, in addition, many of your arguments seem to be qualitative invoking immeasurable traits such as "culture of learning" that basically tosses you back down on the chicken/egg argument. Both of you have severe hemianopsia.
I stumbled onto here and I see I'm glad that I stayed in the department of physics instead of wading into this stinking cesspool. I'll never visit here again, so you don't even have to bother to moderating it. This is just a rant to get off my chest. Both of you seem to have yours on your blogs, and I'll have my minute of rant here too.

Racial Reality said...

^ PISA scores are not a reliable approximation of IQ. You're the idiot.

jaymans said...

I have responded here:

“Racial Reality” Provides My 150th Post | JayMan's Blog

For the record, I didn't see a comment from you. However, I haven't been paying attention to my spam filter. If it was caught there, I wouldn't have seen it, and it might have gotten deleted.

I'm going to discuss this here. If you would like to discuss, please come over to my blog or write a response blog post, and I will write a response to it. :)

jaymans said...

I meant I am not^ going to discuss this here...

c25ec8ec-7042-11e3-9c7a-000bcdcb2996 said...

I've noticed that simple-minded bigots like Steve Sailer who tout PISA as proxies for IQ have to ignore or feebly explain away the poor performance of countries with White-majority populations like Argentina and Uruguay, coming significantly behind "brown" countries like Mexico. Likewise, Thailand registers a high IQ (98) but performs poorly on PISA.

In addition, there was the abysmal performance of India a few years ago -- even at the upper tiers and in the more developed provinces -- which clashes mightily with high performance of Indian American immigrants. Once again, people like Sailer (who have little interest in objectivity and primarily want to justify their prejudices) don't know what to make of such data and so they just wave them away.

Racial Reality said...

@JayMan

Wicherts might not be convinced by Mani's study (though that has in no way been settled yet), but he agrees that IQ differences are mostly environmental.

As for the Daniele study, I'll wait for any peer-reviewed criticism of it to come out. Your obviously biased opinion is irrelevant.

Thanks for all the free advertising though, but I still want to know what happened to my final reply in the "Those Italians..." thread.

Unknown said...

The myth of caucasoid/Hispanic groups is a perfect example of societal indoctrination and governmental designations intended to secure a political non existing reality. Hispanic is US governmental designation to secure a desired goal and when this term was introduced, its designers failed to understand that the group known as Hispanic are essentially mestizo implying either a bi-ethnic or tri-ethnic heritage meaning European, African and Asian. In certain areas, Asian (Chinese and Japanese) are part of the matrix. Mentioning Argentina and Paraguay, obviously part of the South American continent, allows one to realize that these are outliers. Having a 'fair skin' seems to some, to be the perfect exterior characteristic of what is called 'caucasoid', a misnomer nonetheless but this is rampant amongst the lumpenprolotariat.
Another problem is mixing science with personal bias when someone stated that "For instance, the foreign aid which we give to the under-developed world is a mistake, akin to keeping going incompetent species like the dinosaurs which are not fit for the competitive struggle for existence" which is a LIE! OK It is a partial lie because Israel gets US aid but I doubt the same people who laud Europe would say Israel is an under developed nation. So when we mix and match stuff to get a result nothing comes out right. What really does IQ got to do with anything? A straw man, no less to obfuscate. One cannt refuse to educate a population or group of people then say "oh, it's their fault' when the facts who these groups were forbidden by law to participate in the natural commons.